meatslab ([info]breakrbreak_her) wrote,
@ 2007-02-14 20:17:00
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art or elitism
I go to school to discuss why "performances" like this are considered apart of the art realm:


I think it's disgusting, but the only gratification I will recieve is when when the guy in the front row gets into a fist fight with another classmate. I know it will happen, I just know it.

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[info]criickett
2007-02-15 04:26 am UTC (link)
dude. i honestly do not know how people could do something like that. i would have to make some kinda of noise.

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[info]mighty_dinosaur
2007-02-15 08:12 am UTC (link)
true true

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[info]carte
2007-02-15 04:04 pm UTC (link)
Aw, I like John Cage ... although I do think I am, perhaps, a bit crazy. One of my contemporary art professors was at this performance.

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[info]breakrbreak_her
2007-02-16 08:30 pm UTC (link)
no, see I like John Cage alot, too. But with this particular performance I feel that it is less artistic and more arrogant. The first time this was performed it was more genuine, I can somewhat appreciate the concept because the audience did not know what to expect. But, now that this has been performed so many times and people are purchasing these tickets knowing exactly what they're going to experience. It's a bunch of people who feel that they are incredibly cultured art enthusiasts. I don't buy it.

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[info]carte
2007-02-17 02:52 am UTC (link)
Oh! For some reason I thought you were talking about the original and just had the BBC video for a ... visual supplement? I am in absolute accordance with you then.

This is a bit of a tangent but!: contemporary art is my focus and I'm always ridiculously defensive about it because so many people criticize my choice in studying, saying that it "isn't art," and I suppose that's where I get uppity. I once got in an argument at the bookstore I used to work at with a fellow employee who basically discounted the last hundred or so years of art, saying that it's "idea based, ideas are for philosophy, and have no place in art." Blehh.

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[info]breakrbreak_her
2007-02-19 07:20 am UTC (link)
To write off an entire century's worth of art is just ignorant - all art is idea based, even to date as far back as mesopotamia. To put it simply, art is just the personifaction, or materialization of a person's vision. In my opinion, some of the best, as well as some of the worst, art of human existence has come from the last 100 years or so.

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[info]sneakynoises
2007-02-15 07:29 pm UTC (link)
i miss you is your phone still busted?

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[info]breakrbreak_her
2007-02-16 08:31 pm UTC (link)
nope! tiana gave me hers, call me! i lost a lot of numbers on my sim card.

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[info]howyoulove
2007-02-16 01:16 am UTC (link)
wow.

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[info]_uptownbang
2007-02-16 04:13 am UTC (link)
john cages ideas are actually really rad...sometimes his actual productions, and those of his students are hard to grasp or bear if its not your kinda thing...but their philosophies are really rad i promise.

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[info]bettythreat
2007-02-16 05:07 am UTC (link)
no. 4 minutes and 33 seconds of silence is not rad. its a cop out. what a douche.

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[info]_pas_si_simple
2007-02-18 06:15 am UTC (link)
reminds me of the bruce nauman of the music world... "what is art/what is music"

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[info]breakrbreak_her
2007-02-19 07:14 am UTC (link)
which is exactly why my professor used this as an example, as well as rauschenberg's solid white paintings. I get to listen to all of the same arguments everyone has heard about art and what exactly it means to them a million times on end, and the only noteworthy thing he said was the quote "art is a word the white man uses to make himself feel more cultured."

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[info]bathroom_wall
2007-02-18 04:30 pm UTC (link)
i love your polorids. i am adding you.

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[info]i_prithee
2007-02-23 05:02 pm UTC (link)
hey i think this could make for a really excellent conversation! my name is monica and i went to your high school. i've always admired you from a distance dee and i think you create beautiful things and i am super glad you posted this video. maybe we could meet up and talk about it some time, you live in san francisco, right? or if not, i could continue on with this thread... just let me know which would make you more comfortable.

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[info]breakrbreak_her
2007-02-24 10:48 am UTC (link)
that's very sweet, were we in the same graduating class?

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